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notcalebsheridan
10-17-2006, 12:36 PM
Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $276.15
HERO: $174.75
CO: $209.60
Button: $39.90
SB: $34.85
BB: $114

Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG+1 with diamondK clubK
UTG calls, HERO raises to $4, CO raises to $16, 4 folds, HERO calls.

Flop: heart8 club10 heartJ ($34.5, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets $26, HERO folds.


*Villian is tight, in 200 hands I have not seen him reraise PF (i make notes when this happens)

*Villain is fairly passive, AF = 1.5

comments please

Nima
10-17-2006, 02:33 PM
Why not all in perflop after his raise? you were so worried bout AA?

notcalebsheridan
10-18-2006, 12:32 AM
I should have 3-bet pre-flop. Fold to a re-raise. This guy is only going to four-bet with AA. No matter what. I made a mistake here. I am not pushing with KK vs this villain, it would be extremly stupid and if I am called it's going to be AA.

That said, as played pre-flop, his range is around JJ+, AK. Maybe JJ+, no AK

I think he is making this flop bet with all of those hands (maybe not AK, i dont even think AK is really in his pf range)

My maximum equity here is 52% (QQ+, AK) I might have pot odds (if my range is correct), but I have a feeling my equity is closer to 15% (KK+) I can't figure out a range where my equity is over 52%... (i'm using pokerstove for all these calculations)

I don't know if all this makes perfect sense, but this was my take on it. I just thought I was going to be very far behind here most of the time. The only hand he could have that I beat is QQ and he still has draws. I did not think my hand was good at all.. Maybe he got lucky with JJ but I think he has KK, AA here everytime

Is this analysis ok? A hand like this only comes once in a thousand hands, so I dont feel as if it's a leak or saving me a lot of money. I thought stacking off here would be very stupid.

Had I pushed and he called with AA i think you would be telling me it was avoidable (esp preflop -i disagree with many pro's when they say that KK gets the money in everytime preflop. If your opponent only reraises PF with KK+, then it's stupid to play against him with KK)

notcalebsheridan
10-18-2006, 03:19 PM
I've thought about this hand a lot...

1) given villain's range preflop do you still like trying to get it all in? would you call a 4-bet AI?
2) do you try to get it in on the flop?

This seems like the type of hand where I look like a genious/idiot if you could see villain's hand. I definetly messed up the hand pre-flop and it make it hard for me to play, especially OOP.

3) If 2 is no: if this flop was 39T, would you try getting it in?

Nima
10-18-2006, 05:03 PM
Just because he didnt raise in 200 hands doesnt mean he has AA there.

As you said it yourself, he is a passive player.


I would have gone all in preflop personaly, but i would have still called all in (gone all in) on the flop. He wouldnt go all in with set of Jacks.

I would only be worried bout AA which again, he would re-raise to $16 preflop with AA (that would kill the action and no money for him).

Cheers,
Nima

notcalebsheridan
10-18-2006, 09:46 PM
not sure what i was thinking, i should aim to get AI with KK preflop. I dont think I have a good enough read on him to fold here

Flop is ok, in my opinion. Bad situation since I slaughtered it PF

after the hand, villain said "i think you dodged a huge bullet there" after i let my clock run out... who knows