I'm a donk.

[Matt]

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
8 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (8 players) Donk is BB with http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/jh.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/jc.png
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Donk 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 caps, Donk calls.

Flop: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/as.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/jd.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/ac.png (9.5SB, 3 players)
Donk bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/8c.png (5.75BB, 3 players)
Donk checks, MP2 bets, Donk raises, MP2 3-bets, Donk caps, MP2 calls.

River: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/8s.png (13.75BB, 3 players)
Donk checks, MP2 bets, Donk calls.

Results:
Final pot: 15.75BB
MP2 showed Kc Ah
Donk mucks Jh Jc

I've been running very badly, and it's starting to affect my play. I feel very strongly that I should have mucked this hand. There are two reasons to call: The pot was big and I didn't want to give the impression that I can easily be pushed around. Still, big pot odds don't matter much when you're 99% certain that you're beaten. The villian's turn betting strongly suggested that he had an ace. Maybe I'm being too hard on myself, but I think I made a bad call. Thoughts?

[Nima]

Matt,

It depends. It was wrong and right at the same time.

If you were playing against players who were paying attention, I think you should have called. Otherwise it would look like you capped it trying to bet the guy out of the pot (as a bluff). When you realized it didnt work, you folded to one bet.


However, if you dont think the players were obsrevative enough, you should have folded.

At the same time, you need to keep in mind th small change that he had something like KK. when he saw you showed weakness on the river, he just bet thinking you dont have the Ace or 8.

Again, you knew 99% that he had the ace. But the call there shows other players, that even though you are beat you are calling down for the small chance that the guy is bluffing. That might slow other players down from bluffing at you too often on the river and give you free showdowns.


Anyways, that hand sucks. I hate online poker too. lol


dont play for a while. hgo play backgammon or something, then go back to poker. Eitherway dont go on tilt and play at the same time.


Cheers,
Nima

[Matt]

Thanks for the comments, Nima. I got rivered a lot today. Even though I tilted a bit, I still had a winning session. Nice!

Any other comments are welcome.

[notcalebsheridan]

Thanks for the comments, Nima. I got rivered a lot today. Even though I tilted a bit, I still had a winning session. Nice!

Any other comments are welcome.

must be nice... I moved down for some renewed confidence and i run bad?

i lost $0.65 in my 1,000 hand session. :roll:


******* Hand 1 ********

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 2:spade: 2:heart:
3 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 2:club: Q:diamond: 6:club: ($1, 2 players)
Hero bets $1, BB calls.

Turn: 7:spade: ($3, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB raises to $7.5, Hero raises to $24.5, BB calls.

River: 3:club: ($52, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $18.1, BB calls.

I realize this is total spewage, i'm kicking myself for not pushing turn or c/f river. villain was solid -there was a chance to could have 67, AA here but definetly not enough to warrent a push.. and i would never get called by a worse hand

Results:
89s
Final pot: $88.2


******* Hand 2 ********

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 3:diamond: 3:heart:
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB raises to $2.5, CO calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

Flop: 4:club: 8:heart: 3:club: ($8, 3 players)
BB bets $4, CO folds, Hero raises to $10, BB raises all-in $63.15, Hero calls all-in $32.55.
Uncalled bets: $20.6 returned to BB.

Turn: T:diamond: ($93.1, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $93.1)


River: A:club: ($93.1, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $93.1)

the worst thing is that he didn't have the FD.

Results:
TT?
Final pot: $93.1

[bluebayou]

@ matt,

i think calling at the river was right.

u MUST call otherwise ur stupid as harrington would say...


to lose on a higher full house is not a shame, although it was quite obvious that ur beaten when the second 8 fell at the river.


At the same time, you need to keep in mind th small change that he had something like KK. when he saw you showed weakness on the river, he just bet thinking you dont have the Ace or 8.

and thats the point !
u also could have checked to gain 1 more bet. and that may slow other players down from bluffing as nima correct stated.


but i think there was a little mistake at the turn.

u shouldnt have capped it because it was quite clear that he had a very strong hand at that time otherwise he hadnt reraised with something like q-q or k-k.

but therefore why did he capped preflop.... with 8-8... ?


blue

[Matt]

The more I think about this hand, the more conflicted I am. Losing one bet on the end isn't that bad, but folding the best hand when the pot is large is a disaster. My question is, will my hand win often enough in this situation to make a call profitable? If it's obvious that my opponent has an ace, then it's clearly a bad call. According to Sklansky's "Fundamental Theorem of Poker," every time you play your hand differently from the way you would play if you could see your opponents' cards, you lose. That's why reading hands is probably the single most important skill in poker.

At the same time, I couldn't be 100% certain that my opponent held an ace. Although I don't know much about this opponent, there's always a chance that he could be betting and raising with a number of different hands. This is especially true on Full Tilt, which seems to have more loose-aggressive players than the others sites I've visited. Also, like Nima said, it may be right to make a bad call in order to establish a proper table image. Making this call may deter other players from bluffing me in the future. After reviewing this hand, I think I was right to make a crying call.

As far as my play on the turn goes, I think failing to cap would be a mistake. The only hands that could beat me were A-A, A-J, and A-8. It's doubtful that my opponent would cap with A-J or A-8 preflop. He would definitely cap with A-A, but there was only one way he could hold that hand. Given his play, he's much more likely to hold a strong ace. On the turn, I was more than a 5-1 favorite. My opponent could make a better full house with a king or an eight (six outs total). And, of course, the case ace would have given him quads. I was a big favorite on the turn.

Does anyone else agree with my analysis?

[notcalebsheridan]

i think you played it just fine, there was only one real hand that he could hold that had you beat, AA... He's not capping with AJ pre... here he could hold AK, AQ, AT, a lower set, so i think it's all good on your part -you couldn't play it better

If you are taking beats, then of course you will double think every big pot you lost, but this isn't a hand that you could have played better. Unfortunetly you got unlucky.

[Matt]

Now here is how you overplay a hand:

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
9 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (9 players) Tilting Maniac is MP2 with http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/ad.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/as.png
3 folds, Tilting Maniac raises, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.5SB) http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/5d.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/6s.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/7h.png (2 players)
BB bets, Tilting Maniac raises, BB 3-bets, Tilting Maniac calls.

Turn: (5.25BB) http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/ks.png (2 players)
BB bets, Tilting Maniac raises, BB calls.

River: (9.25BB) http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/qd.png (2 players)
BB checks, Tilting Maniac bets, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11.25BB
Tilting Maniac showed Ad As
BB showed 7d 6c

My opponent is loose-passive. After his reraise, I knew he had a set, a straight, or two pair. Yet I still overplayed my hand. I should have simply called him down after his show of strength. I would've cut my loss a bit. I'm not posting this just to bitch about a bad beat. I want to give an example of why you should take a break when you're upset, even if the game is good.

[bluebayou]

after a second, third thought, i agree with ur analysis, matt.

u played the discussed hand the best way and lost unlucky.


blue

[PinkMisfit]

This hand is a toughie! I really think that I would have played to the end but pushed a bit more. I hate playing jj and 1010. I always lose it seems.