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notcalebsheridan
09-04-2006, 04:06 PM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($8.50)
BB ($34.20)
UTG ($126.85)
MP ($50)
Hero ($60.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with XX. MP posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG raises to $2.5, MP (poster) raises to $50.5, 3 folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $53.75

What are you calling with here? This is MP's first round at the table. First have i've noticed him

AA, obviously
AK? AKs? KK? QQ? JJ? 9Ts?
Nima
09-04-2006, 04:15 PM
I would call with AA, KK, QQ, Aks

Nima
Matt
09-04-2006, 06:32 PM
I would call with Aces and Kings. Without more information about my opponent, I'm folding everything else (even Queens).
Matt
09-04-2006, 07:35 PM
Nima and I were just talking about this and he made a good point: It may be better to call with A-Ks than with Queens. Queens are in trouble against Aces or Kings; they're only a slight favorite against A-K. The only hands A-K has to worry about are Aces and Kings. Even against Kings, A-K will win about 30% of the time.
MaZiYi
09-05-2006, 12:15 AM
But AK is only a slight favorite against 78 sooted so I would be careful about going all in unless its your style and you will be doing it enough for it to be profitable.

One example was I had 10 10 in a cash game and this guy i had played with before played AK like it was AA so i was pretty sure he had AK AQ or AJ...

Well I decided to race with him but it didn't work out. But was it the wrong play +EV... ???

I guess it depends on how you look at it :roll:
notcalebsheridan
09-05-2006, 02:03 AM
my thoughts

races aren't worth it, even if you are a 5% favorite (max) you are making 5% on opponents stack in the long run. The times when you are worse than racing (with a pair like TT) make this 0EV or -EV if the pot is heads up.

if someone has pokerstove or feels like running numbers, let's assume villain's range is TT-AA,AK (does this seem accurate? should it be more like JJ-AA, AK?) make your hand QQ and then AKs and we'll see which turns out better. I'm not real sure -maybe AKs does turn out better

Figuring out a good hand range is crucial i think.

Obviously assume a late-night low stakes internet player. Let's try to figure out a range and then move on to what hands are +EV for which hand ranges
Nima
09-05-2006, 09:24 AM
races aren't worth it, even if you are a 5% favorite (max) you are making 5% on opponents stack in the long run. The times when you are worse than racing (with a pair like TT) make this 0EV or -EV if the pot is heads up.



I dont agree. If I know that I'm5% ahead of another player I would call him all in. Im ahead so I will win most of the time.


Cheers,
Nima
notcalebsheridan
09-05-2006, 11:21 AM
races aren't worth it, even if you are a 5% favorite (max) you are making 5% on opponents stack in the long run. The times when you are worse than racing (with a pair like TT) make this 0EV or -EV if the pot is heads up.



I dont agree. If I know that I'm5% ahead of another player I would call him all in. Im ahead so I will win most of the time.


Cheers,
Nima

I'm talking about with TT vs a loose-aggressive player. If someone is pushing JJ+ and AJ+, i do not call with with TT, because you are never ahead by more than a few %, and the times when you are behind to his JJ+ make this -EV. With AK vs the same player, i call every time. And in that situation i would definetly rather have AK than QQ

In my situation (random player pushes) I don't ever know if i'm at a coinflip, even with QQ/AK. I don't think this is AA/KK 100% of the time, but, again, i don't know a good range. And, to me, the variance of this is not worth it because i have no fold equity. I would much rather push with what i believe is a coinflip than call like this
Matt
09-05-2006, 02:21 PM
But AK is only a slight favorite against 78 sooted so I would be careful about going all in unless its your style and you will be doing it enough for it to be profitable.

I agree. I just though it was an interesting observation. I'm sticking with AA and KK.
Matt
09-06-2006, 04:17 PM
if someone has pokerstove or feels like running numbers, let's assume villain's range is TT-AA,AK (does this seem accurate? should it be more like JJ-AA, AK?) make your hand QQ and then AKs and we'll see which turns out better. I'm not real sure -maybe AKs does turn out better

I don't have PokerStove, although I probably should get it. My guess is that QQ does better, but that's only my gut feeling. I just think it's interesting that AK "fears" less hands than QQ.

You're right though. It's better to push with AK than to call with it.